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jwc66k
RidiKulous
CA, USA
479 Posts |
 Posted - 06/17/2010 : 14:03:11
It is a major pain in the wrench for the party doing your alignment that will result in "words". In the 64 Chassis Assembly Manual, the starting point is "As Required". I got an alignment on my "K" yesterday and did not require shim adjustments. The service guy did comment that is was a pain anyway. If you have the old shims, try and match them to each other if multiple ones were used and then put them in with the thicker ones to the rear, and bring a six pack to the alignment shop.
Jim
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cobraboy
RidiKulous
United Kingdom
369 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2010 : 14:36:45
Say, that Jim is talking beer now, it was scotch the other day - I bet that he's a tough guy to keep up with in a bar. 
When I got my K home and drove it for the first time I had a job to keep it in between the hedges at the side of the road. This despite it being advertised by the dealer as being the tightest straightest driving mustang he had driven in 20 odd years !.
My point is dont lose any sleep over your shims. I had to redo it all anyhow. I now have 3 deg positive caster, 1/2 deg negative camber, 1/16" toe in - with a straight monte carlo bar and a heavy duty export brace, the old girl is a pleasure to drive.
Its a job for later, good luck.
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jwc66k
RidiKulous
CA, USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2010 : 17:14:30
Any shim is better than none, and the beer was for the guy doing the work.
Jim
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2010 : 18:15:44
good....there is hope!
i won't worry about it for now.
do many of you on this site use more modern suspension systems
or stay with the original parts?
thanks
iowa
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caspian65
Kontributor
NC, USA
2480 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2010 : 08:03:02
quote:
do many of you on this site use more modern suspension systems
or stay with the original parts?
Just depends on what folks use their cars for. I think most on this forum would generally try to use OEM or aftermarket that appears and functions like original. For my personal K fastback, I actually plan to use roller perches and a few other minor suspension mods. The car already had the 1" drop done before I got it and has under ride traction bars on the rear. Don't get this one confused with the K convertible I'm doing, which is an nth degree concours restoration!
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2010 : 08:26:16
here is how i removed the coils
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jwc66k
RidiKulous
CA, USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2010 : 10:27:57
You live dangerously. I've heard about coils coming unglued and doing major damage to people. I used one that was sold by Snap-On Tools so I made up a compressor based on that. It is similar to the Ford type in the service manual, a strong threaded rod up the center of the coil.
Jim
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2010 : 11:25:10
got your email and pics
i was very careful making sure the load was even etc.
will probably use your method to re assemble
thanks
dave
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2010 : 08:00:21
caspian65
it's nice to hear you say the above
i was loosing sleep worring about
using a few repro parts in my '65 FB.
i want to make it a daily driver
at least for the next 3 years before
my son goes off to college.
(he's driving a '66 coupe C-code right now)
i'd rather wreck a repro floor
then an original one.
i will keep every original part
and look for a good original floor;
but keep them in storage....
and someday....in my old age...
i may get inspired and do a concours
restro like your convertible.
iowa
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sixfiveGT
Kommitted
NY, USA
59 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2010 : 11:23:22
Looking at Iowa's spring removal tool made me cringe a little as I thought about my spring replacement experience. When I replaced the spings in my K-GT I used what was supposed to be a quality spring compressor manufactured by KD. it was an internal unit with the hooks that grab the coils both top and bottom and has a threaded center rod. Removing the springs was fairly easy, however installing new GT springs with their higher rates turned out to be a small nightmare. The KD compressor would slip on the coils and if I hadn't been very careful to stay out of the line of fire, I could have been hurt when the compressor slipped an the spring came flying out. (when it let lose it sounded like an explosion) not an experience I ever care to repeat.... but as many of you have probably already discovered there are few manufacturers of internal coil spring compressors that can be used easily on early Mustang suspension systems. I ended up using a similar unit made by snap-on. The first spring went in great but when I tried the second side the center threaded bolt threads stripped, leaving me with no way to either compress or release the spring. Lucky for me the spring was in place and I was able to use a floor jack under the lower control arm to compress the spring enough to allow me to remove the compressor. I wish that someone a lot smarter than me could come up with a better system and design. Even the one pictured in the Ford manual looks like it would be difficult to use. After my little adventure I don't envy anyone who has to replace the front suspension in a Mustang especially the coils.
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2010 : 17:55:33
sixfiveGT
i may rig up some kind of a 'U' shaped bracket
that i can fit around the coil on each side
and then screw into drilled and tapped holes
in the metal bars that i used.
then, at least, they won't come flying out at me
compelled by 500lb of force.also, the threaded rods are only good for use
as couple of times because they are stripped
being dragged thru the metal bar holes. i also thot of using about a dozen vice grips
to compress the coils,
but it didn't work very well. iowa Edited by - iowa on 06/20/2010 17:57:16 Edited by - iowa on 06/20/2010 17:58:39
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2010 : 18:10:48
are these the right exhaust
for the K code's?
thanks
iowa
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c6zzkgt
KRAZY!
CA, USA
2832 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2010 : 09:22:27
Dave, You need to post a picture of the exhaust if you want a correct answer.-Fred-
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c6zzkgt
KRAZY!
CA, USA
2832 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2010 : 09:32:19
In regards to spring compressors, Ford uses one that sits on top of the shock tower after the shock and bracket are removed. The threaded rod goes through a plate that is placed in the lower part of the spring. It has the same diameter as the spring with ridges to keep it from slipping. The spring is compressed from the top and then the spring saddle is removed from the control arm to extract the spring. These are really good at retaining the spring without slippage. I have seen these other than Ford but I do not know whether it was Snap On or some other company.-Fred-
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2010 : 11:15:45
sorry
these are one of several sets on e bay
iowa
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c6zzkgt
KRAZY!
CA, USA
2832 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2010 : 00:07:30
Dave, If you are trying to actually replicate the original, this is not it.-Fred-
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2010 : 06:51:56
how and where would i find an exhaust system
that would replicate the originals?
iowa
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caspian65
Kontributor
NC, USA
2480 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2010 : 07:07:15
Isn't your car a Fall of '64 Dearborn car? If so, yours may be in that time period that the Arvindoe exhaust was used on hi-po's.http://www.waldronexhaust.com/arvinodedualexhaust.htm
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2010 : 11:42:59
the date on my VIN plate is 19M
...so Dec 19, 1964so the above sytems have the 'H' section?
or do these have to be bought separately? iowa Edited by - iowa on 06/22/2010 11:47:38
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caspian65
Kontributor
NC, USA
2480 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2010 : 14:06:44
Cool, your car definitely falls into the Arvinode time period.Not sure if they sell the H-pipe also.
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round2K
KRAZY!
BC, Canada
1519 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2010 : 22:49:27
Call Joe Tonieto at Waldron's and he'll help you out. I think he's making the H pipes now.
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2010 : 06:10:15
round2K
thanks
i'll do just that
iowa
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vamustang
AttraKted
VA, USA
16 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2010 : 00:24:18
Next time get a clamshell type spring compresser. They work great and easy to use. You can get cheaper ones at harbour freight and they work fine too. Wayyy safer.http://www.harborfreight.com/single-action-strut-spring-compressor-43753.html
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2010 : 07:38:54
va
thanks for info
iowa
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 08:43:39
have a question about the emblem on the front side.
my K car had the standard black interior
ie no GT no pony etc.
would the emblem on the side say 'mustang 2+2?'
thanks
iowa
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caspian65
Kontributor
NC, USA
2480 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 10:03:31
quote:
have a question about the emblem on the front side.
my K car had the standard black interior
ie no GT no pony etc.
would the emblem on the side say 'mustang 2+2?'
thanks
iowa
Yep
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 12:03:12
and, i guess they come in 2 sizes
would my '65 be early enough to use the smaller size?
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caspian65
Kontributor
NC, USA
2480 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 13:18:45
Should be only one size of the 2+2 emblems.
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6hypo5conv
Kontributor
FL
1150 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 17:41:28
I thought that NPD had the exclusive on the Arvinode system?
Are the "H" pipes different from the Arvinode to the later type system?
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round2K
KRAZY!
BC, Canada
1519 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 19:07:49
http://www.hipomustang.com/hpmx/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7567&SearchTerms=arvinodeWaldron's is making them and they are being distributed by NPD and several other vendors now. There is only one size of H pipe. Edited by - round2K on 07/04/2010 19:09:37
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6hypo5conv
Kontributor
FL
1150 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2010 : 05:02:09
OK, When I bought my later style system (from MOTIVE INDUSTRIES)it was complete with the "H" pipe and was pretty nice but lacked the correct clamps and had to be massaged a little to fit and my restorer added some welding/blueing to make it look more authentic.
I didn't realize that Waldrons was THE manufacturer of the reproduction Arvinode system....
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2010 : 13:05:59
would anyone happen to have a photo
of a fastback similiar to mine
which would show the trim and emblems?
of all the pics in the K code book
none show show a 'plain' FB like mine
there is a GT ivy green
but it is a GT
thanks
dave
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2010 : 10:32:43
gettin' ready to put the car on rotisserie
my welder made this frame out of 4x4
instead of 2x3 so will be plenty heavy
he is making the ends this week
iowa
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2010 : 08:46:10
this video is off my son's '66
the wheel bearing was shredded!!
but........the brake shoes are doing this....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTCPeZAex50 is this normal without the drum on
are the springs too weak?
thanks for your help
iowa
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lscman
Kommitted
KY, USA
61 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2010 : 09:18:20
You asked a question about the earlier cars having different fender emblems and you are correct as earlier built cars did have a shorter emblem and I don't know when the change came but my car is Aug.64 built car and has early emblem on fender but it is a coupe.Maybe some of the others can shed some light on the subject also as I don't know about the fastback having different emblems.
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caspian65
Kontributor
NC, USA
2480 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2010 : 10:42:57
quote:
You asked a question about the earlier cars having different fender emblems and you are correct as earlier built cars did have a shorter emblem and I don't know when the change came but my car is Aug.64 built car and has early emblem on fender but it is a coupe.Maybe some of the others can shed some light on the subject also as I don't know about the fastback having different emblems.
He was asking about 2+2 emblems, not the coupe/convertible emblems.
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2010 : 12:06:22
i will be needing these parts:alternator (or did mine have the generator? Dec 19, '64 build)
carb (what is suitable substitute?)
bell housing
H tubes for exhaust
distrib.
flywheel
K code toploader
driveshaft thanks
iowa
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6hypo5conv
Kontributor
FL
1150 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2010 : 15:13:29
Dave, One thing you don't have on your list is a correct, restored 9" rear end......why is that?? (LOL)
Anyway this is the FIRST place I'm trying our new computer......
As far as some of the parts you are searching for:
Carb:I'd contact Jon at Pony carbs and get him to build you a "clone"-they are VERY NICE! Distributor you might try looking up Chuck at Distributor Dynamics-he specializes in FORD distributors and may have a suitable unit for you.as for the "H" pipe for your exhaust it just might come along with the GREAT Arvinode system that is on the market-otherwise you can get one separate-I'm not sure if the Arvinode system comes with the correct clamps (and hangers for that matter)(my later dual system I got from Motive Industries did not)so we had to get them separate.Hopefully someone else will chime in on some of the other stuff!!-Rick
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2010 : 17:57:14
ha
it's not on the list
cuzz thanks to you
i will have one next week!!!
thanks for all your help
dave
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iowa
FanatiKal
IA, USA
161 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2010 : 20:04:15
just got back from Des Moines
from picking up the 9" rear end
not in the garage yet
but will be before the sun goes downrick, it was a pleasure doing business w/you!!
dave
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