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zrayrichter
LunatiK

TX, USA
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Posted - 07/20/2010 :  18:14:11  Show Profile  Send zrayrichter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
it sounds like you have an Autolite carb, so please disregard any statement I made about the kick-down linkage. I was thinking you had a Holley with the generic kick-down linkage attached to the carb,

If your kick-down cable or rod is properly adjusted then it should operate Independently of the presence of the supercharger.

As far as the jetting goes, I don't know the autolite system for jet numbering, but if your a/f ratio is in the 11's at cruise, then you need to lean out that circuit.

what is the af/ ratio under a load at part throttle, like accelerating up a long incline ? What is it at full throttle ?


Z.

Edited by - zrayrichter on 07/20/2010 22:28:07

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toffe
OKKupied


USA

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Posted - 07/21/2010 :  04:35:12  Show Profile  Send toffe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I had some more reading on google and some more adjustments - I did not know that the kickdown was controlled mechaically

The carb I have is a Holley 650 DP, and I would believe that I have size 45 jets.

The AFR is 11 at cruising and around 12 when accelrating slowly and appx the same when I have WOT.

Should I try going down 2 sizes?
What size do you have?

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zrayrichter
LunatiK

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Posted - 07/21/2010 :  16:40:00  Show Profile  Send zrayrichter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
".............. The carb I have is a Holley 650 DP, and I would believe that I have size 45 jets.

The AFR is 11 at cruising and around 12 when accelrating slowly and appx the same when I have WOT.

Should I try going down 2 sizes?
What size do you have? ......"


the jets I'm using are 67 in the primary float bowl & 78 in the secondary float bowl. When I have bought carbs from C. Conley in the past he had 69's & 84's installed. I'm a little thrown by the 45 number you have reported. Can you email or call Conley and ask him what size jets he put in your carb.

Are you using a K&N air filter ? If so, I would suggest first removing the air cleaner very briefly to see if the a/f reading changes considerably before doing any jetting changes. It's possible that the filter is just over oiled giving a too rich a/f reading.

Z.


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toffe
OKKupied


USA

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Posted - 08/01/2010 :  08:52:39  Show Profile  Send toffe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi,
I have been away from the internet fro quite some time now and I saw I had a typo on my last reply. My primaries are 70 and my secondaries are 83.

I'm using a brand new k&n filter and have also tried to remove the filter, and the number did not change significantly.

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zrayrichter
LunatiK

TX, USA
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Posted - 08/01/2010 :  12:56:00  Show Profile  Send zrayrichter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
the reason C. Conley sends out carbs with jetting on the rich side is entirely due to caution. Lean running carbs are risky enough, but with the added power of the Paxton a lean condition can ruin an engine in short order. For the same reason I hestitate to reccomend to others what I have done myself.

As I mentioned above I'm using 67's on the primary sidel & 78's on the secondaries. That may be right for your engine, or not right. I'd go down two sizes at a time until you find the combination that works best for you.

Another thing to consider is lowering the floats 3-5 flats below the stock setting. I had to both lower the floats & reduce the jets before I was satisfied.

Z.

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jwc66k
RidiKulous

CA, USA
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Posted - 08/01/2010 :  16:33:05  Show Profile  Send jwc66k a Private Message  Reply with Quote
But it sure runs great with a leaned out system, just before the engine goes "poof".
Jim
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zrayrichter
LunatiK

TX, USA
547 Posts
Posted - 08/01/2010 :  21:15:39  Show Profile  Send zrayrichter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:

But it sure runs great with a leaned out system, just before the engine goes "poof".
Jim

I was never brave enough to do much "leaning out" until I got a wideband a/f meter. Very addictive.

Z.

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toffe
OKKupied


USA

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Posted - 08/09/2010 :  16:13:19  Show Profile  Send toffe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi,

I finally got everything where I want it to be.
I changed to 68 jets and the engine now idles at 13,5 and sits around 13 when cruising.
At WOT it is 11, which I feels is a bit high, but nothing to worry about – better rich than lean!

Thanks again for all your help!
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zrayrichter
LunatiK

TX, USA
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Posted - 08/11/2010 :  18:02:17  Show Profile  Send zrayrichter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
glad to hear you have things sorted out to your satisfaction. I am curious to find out if you have the same phenomenon I have, which is that the a/f ratio changes considerably depending on the ambient air temperature & humidity. The a/f ratio difference between 75 degrees & 105 is amazing. I've just settled on a correct setting at 90 - 95 degrees. Texas will maintain that temperature well into October. I will have to re-jet for the winter, or gag on the rich running engine fumes.

With the Paxton disconnected, the temperature variation has a MUCH smaller impact on the a/f ratio

Z. Ray


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toffe
OKKupied


USA

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Posted - 08/12/2010 :  03:04:51  Show Profile  Send toffe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi,

I can see the same variations here, however the temperature ranges are a bit different.

I did setup my a/f ratio when it was around 68, and when I ran the car a couple of days later when the temperature was around 90 it started running a lot leaner.

I have not tried without the paxton, but it would seem natrural for me that the more air mens bigger variations.

What are your A/F readings in the different conditions?

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zrayrichter
LunatiK

TX, USA
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Posted - 08/12/2010 :  15:00:38  Show Profile  Send zrayrichter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
first of all, let me say I don't entirely make sense of this, but here goes. At plus 95 degrees the a/f ratio reading at idle and low speed cruise is 14.0 - 15.0. At 80 degrees or less the a/f ratio reading at idle and low speed cruise is 13.0 - 14.0. a full point difference.

Seems to me when the air temperature is higher, the engine should be running richer, not leaner. But not in my case. Any theories ?

My theory is that the change in humidity, not temperature is causing the fluctuation in the a/f ratio.

The higher the humidity the less space there is for additional molecules of air and therefore oxygen. As the humidity increases there is less oxygen and therefore the engine runs richer.

In my part of Texas, and elsewhere for all I know, when the temperature is low in the mornings, the humidity is high. When the temperature is high in the afternoon, the humidity has dropped. And (here) it's the very low humidity of 5% to 15% that is allowing the increased oxygen in the air.

Z. Ray


Edited by - zrayrichter on 08/12/2010 17:53:56


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toffe
OKKupied


USA

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Posted - 08/12/2010 :  16:01:38  Show Profile  Send toffe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi,

I checked today and it seems like humidity are the only factor for me.

Today it was a dry day and the engine ran 0,8 points leaner than last day. The temperature was almost the same, appx 68.

Based on this and my observations I think I can agree on your theory. Go to Top of Page

zrayrichter
LunatiK

TX, USA
547 Posts
Posted - 08/12/2010 :  17:54:59  Show Profile  Send zrayrichter a Private Message  Reply with Quote

p.s. there are several web sources that basically have the same information regarding humidity & a/f ratios. A google search of "humidity & carburetion yields a lot of info, most of it consistant.

Z.



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