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top loader shifter.

Postby hipo_p51 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:09 am

Other than the stock shift (currently on the car), what is the very best option to improve shifting on the top loader. thanks.
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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby zray » Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:35 am

I like the Hurst shifter better, way better in fact. Especially the set-up I got from David Kee's place several years ago. I don'r know if he is still in business.

He modifies the shifter to use a stock Ford handle with the right angle , etc. The pattern (for reverse) is different though, might take some people a while to get used to it.

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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby kapdavm » Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:13 am

I am using an early 70's rebuilt/rechromed Hurst shifter that was a remnant from my kar's drag racing days. It works fine with the stock console. It is one of a few non-stock items that remained on my kar.
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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby Mad4HiPos » Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:24 pm

Many people like the Hurst shifters but don't rule out sticking with an original. I rebuilt my original shifter and linkage and it made a HUGE difference. You will be surprised how well a rebuilt and properly adjusted original Ford shifter actually feels, I know I was...
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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby 289kford » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:34 pm

Many years ago, there were some tips on modifying the original shifter to make it almost Hurst like. I don't remember if it was in Muscle Parts catalog or maybe the Hiperf catalog from 66, maybe in Hot Rod. There were stiffer bushings and some other tweaks. Though I did it on my 66 Mustang, that was in 74 and I don't remember the specifics.. My 'K' still has the mid 60's Hurst.
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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby hipo_p51 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:26 pm

is there a big difference between todays hurst shifters and the ones from the sixties? just curious if I should look for a vintage one versus a new one. I do have an original restored shifter in my car right now, its just so-so. also where are the new hurst shifters made these days?
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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby 289kford » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:10 am

I think the new shifters have a handle that unbolts, is not one piece like mine is. Easier to R&R the trans, but other than that I don't know. My friend has a Super Shifter in his 65 Mustang, it is from the late 70's. The tunnel needed a rework for that linkage.
Isn't there a way to use the stock handle with a Hurst? Best of both worlds there.
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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby 66gtk » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:47 am

I agree with many here including Mad4HiPos. I struggled with my stock shifter and then had it properly rebuilt by somebody who knew what he was doing. It was much nicer and easier to manage - especially for street driving. I really like being able to use the reverse lockout and easily get it into reverse. The Hurst is also very nice - had it on my '65. It was easier for me to shift than the stock shifter, but I did not like putting it into reverse. I also preferred the stock look over the bulky and taller Hurst. As zray points out, there seems to be a solution for this using a stock handle that I was not aware of. Sounds like a great solution!
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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby 289kford » Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:31 pm

I don't know if the 1st setup is based on the modifications I remember from way back.
The cobra shifter, did it not just have the handle turned backwards? Can this one be turned the correct way to be used in a Mustang?
I did see a post on another board where the guy used a newer Hurst and fabricated the bottom of his original shifter to bolt up to it. I imagine somebody makes repro handles to cut up.

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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby hipo_p51 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:05 pm

Anyone use the David Kee modified hurst shifter that allows the stock handle to be mounted, for the stock appearance?

oops, this was already mentioned. Any other comments?
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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby zray » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:52 am

hipo_p51 wrote:Anyone use the David Kee modified hurst shifter that allows the stock handle to be mounted, for the stock appearance?

oops, this was already mentioned. Any other comments?


I think you can get the same set-up from the other toploader specialists as well, such as top loader heaven in Oklahoma.

http://www.toploaderheaven.com

The one I had was done (years ago) by David Kee's shop as earlier mentioned. It worked great ! However, I've been hearing grumblings lately, the past 2 or 3 years, that Kee's customer service is slipping. So, check him out as carefully as possible before you commit…

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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby rockhouse66 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:16 am

I am only repeating what Kee told me, but he said if you buy a new Hurst shifter it will have a welded handle. He has a special (older) design available that accepts a bolted on handle. He then makes an adapter that bolts to the Hurst shifter box, to which you then bolt your stock handle. I just put one together and it looks plenty sturdy to me, even though the geometry of the adapter is not structurally ideal. I have not driven the car yet, but I don't see why it wouldn't work just like any other new Hurst shifter. And yes, it took several attempts to actually get Kee on the telephone, but he shipped promptly. I never did get an email reply from him.
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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby zray » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:28 am

rockhouse66 wrote:I am only repeating what Kee told me, but he said if you buy a new Hurst shifter it will have a welded handle. He has a special (older) design available that accepts a bolted on handle. He then makes an adapter that bolts to the Hurst shifter box, to which you then bolt your stock handle. I just put one together and it looks plenty sturdy to me, even though the geometry of the adapter is not structurally ideal. I have not driven the car yet, but I don't see why it wouldn't work just like any other new Hurst shifter."........


Could you elaborate what you mean by "not structurally ideal.." .

The Kee shifter I used for about 10 years put the knob exactly where it would be with the original Ford shifter. So appearance wise it it was a dead ringer.

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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby 289kford » Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:19 pm

"....new Hurst shifter it will have a welded handle. He has a special (older) design available that accepts a bolted on handle."
So I'm not up on the progression of these shifters. They have gone back to the welded design, which I just looked up and saw on Summit Racing. I would have bet it had a bolt on handle still, wonder why they went back.
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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby GregS » Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:59 pm

Because Mustang owners shift so hard that they break the grade 8 bolts!
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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby zray » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:45 pm

rockhouse66 wrote:I am only repeating what Kee told me, but he said if you buy a new Hurst shifter it will have a welded handle. He has a special (older) design available that accepts a bolted on handle. He then makes an adapter that bolts to the Hurst shifter box, to which you then bolt your stock handle…….."


not disputing what Kee told you, but this is not right. For the shifter he made me, he modified the "welded-on" shifter, not some older design (whatever that is). He cuts off the Hurst handle, and then welds on this very thick plate at just the right angle to put the Bolt-on Ford handle exactly where it is on the stock set-up.

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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby rockhouse66 » Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:23 am

I don't have the energy to argue with anyone about right or wrong, but here it is.

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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby hipo_p51 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:46 am

Jim, how long have you used this setup, or have you just installed it?
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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby zray » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:26 pm

hipo_p51 wrote:Jim, how long have you used this setup, or have you just installed it?


Mine was exactly as Jim has pictured, and was made from a modified handle-welded-on type of Hurst shifter. But as pointed out, that is neither here nor there.

I can say the Kee modified Hurst shifter is very durable. I gave it hell for 8 years and never had any trouble, just as you would expect from any Hurst shifter. The Kee modified parts, the welds and the adaptor plate the Ford handle bolted to were more than up to the task.

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Re: top loader shifter.

Postby rockhouse66 » Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:34 am

hipo_p51 wrote:Jim, how long have you used this setup, or have you just installed it?


No, it isn't in the car yet.
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