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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby SixT5HiPo » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:43 pm

pony65k wrote:No response to my reply email from yesterday, but I'll keep you posted if anything comes through.

I think I might have scared him off with the questions and statement about the pony interior and trunk mat. I get the feeling a lot of these places like selling to people who don't know these cars...

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That goes without saying. I think you're right about them getting scared off by your informed questions. They probably realize their price is way off the amount that these cars are actually worth.
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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby pony65k » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:08 pm

Still no reply. I guess that's a great way to get out of their clutches, show a "little" knowledge. On the down side, now I'm getting "just in" emails :roll:

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby SixT5HiPo » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:29 am

pony65k wrote:Still no reply. ..On the down side, now I'm getting "just in" emails :roll:

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I guess that will show you... ;)
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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby pony65k » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:18 pm

SixT5HiPo wrote:
I guess that will show you... ;)


Happy to take one for the team :lol:
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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby pony65k » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:55 pm

Well, what do you know :o :lol:

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby livetoride60 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:04 pm

I'm always suspicious of a door tag and rivets that look shiny brand new, even if the rivets are the correct style. Same for the window sheet. It seems perfect and perfectly white. Amazing for a document 50 years old.
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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby SixT5HiPo » Sat Apr 16, 2016 3:34 am

pony65k wrote:Well, what do you know :o :lol:

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Oh boy, now the ball's in your court...Maybe you should toss them a real low ball offer? :lol:
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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby JPhil » Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:43 pm

Well for starters the "documentation" provided does not support the story told. The window sticker is a repop with one MAJOR error and the door tag refutes the story.
The story is bogus therefore the car is in question as well.

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby pony65k » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:02 pm

SixT5HiPo wrote:
Oh boy, now the ball's in your court...Maybe you should toss them a real low ball offer? :lol:

Knowing my luck they'd take it and lil' ol' me without any cash :lol:

JPhil wrote:Well for starters the "documentation" provided does not support the story told. The window sticker is a repop with one MAJOR error and the door tag refutes the story.
The story is bogus therefore the car is in question as well.

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby SixT5HiPo » Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:27 am

pony65k wrote:
SixT5HiPo wrote:
Oh boy, now the ball's in your court...Maybe you should toss them a real low ball offer? :lol:

Knowing my luck they'd take it and lil' ol' me without any cash :lol:


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Maybe you're right about that, Rene. It would be some bad luck if they accept a super low cash offer. :lol:
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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby JPhil » Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:47 am

The door tag confirms that this was not one of thousands of Mustangs sold by Tasca ford. The repop window sticker clearly states Herbys Ford in va. :roll:

Also the paint code is incorrect. This car was painted a Fleet color, not Acapulco blue.

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby pony65k » Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:10 pm

Just an observation, probably not correct (since I'm a 65 owner and not knowledgeable on the 66's), but the date on the door plate is 09E which is May. The buck tag is stamped F24 which is June. Shouldn't the buck tag be stamped E09?

JPhil wrote:The door tag confirms that this was not one of thousands of Mustangs sold by Tasca ford. The repop window sticker clearly states Herbys Ford in va. :roll:

Also the paint code is incorrect. This car was painted a T bird color, not Acapulco blue.

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Where did you get the paint code from?

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby JPhil » Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:42 pm

PM sent


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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby SixT5HiPo » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:19 pm

I think the iconic TASCA Ford dealer plate, as seen on the trunk lid of this kar, might have been reproduced and sold to anyone who wanted to buy one. Does anyone else recall seeing them for sale?
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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby JPhil » Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:57 am

The Tasca nameplate is available from several vendors for around $35. They are easily spotted as reproduction. This broker clearly has no knowledge of the information available that can be used to confirm or refute such bogus stories such as this one.

This car was not painted Acapulco blue, it was painted a fleet blue color as were many others if that box was checked. Many restorers will make the same mistake when respraying a car without the original information. Here is an example:
http://www.hipomustang.com/hpmx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=982

As noted the Tasca nameplate can be purchased many places. Here is just one: http://www.streetperformance.com/part/ecklers/emblem/6410951-tasca-nameplate.html
Repos have one major difference however.

Repro buck tags of course have been available for many years and are not a reliable source of verification.

Honest cars do not need a BS story to sell. The seller needs a BS story to sell for more. :evil:

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby JPhil » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:53 am

pony65k wrote:Just an observation, probably not correct (since I'm a 65 owner and not knowledgeable on the 66's), but the date on the door plate is 09E which is May. The buck tag is stamped F24 which is June. Shouldn't the buck tag be stamped E09?

JPhil wrote:The door tag confirms that this was not one of thousands of Mustangs sold by Tasca ford. The repop window sticker clearly states Herbys Ford in va. :roll:

Also the paint code is incorrect. This car was painted a T bird color, not Acapulco blue.

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Where did you get the paint code from?

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Door tags and buck tags will not have the same date as they were done at different times.

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby C6ZZKGT » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:32 am

JPhil wrote:The door tag confirms that this was not one of thousands of Mustangs sold by Tasca ford. The repop window sticker clearly states Herbys Ford in va. :roll:

Also the paint code is incorrect. This car was painted a Fleet color, not Acapulco blue.

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Just being Devils Advocate here, is it not possible that this car could have been a dealer trade between Tasca and Hesbys back in the day. I saw plenty of dealers trades in my Los Angeles area that went far away from the original dealer.

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby JPhil » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:41 am

With a Washington DSO after the changeover and a VA dealer I would say no. There were at least half a dozen DSO's closer to Tasca that a car would have been ordered from for that to be the case.

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby JPhil » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:31 am

I recieved an email last night from a guy in Virginia regarding this car. He stated that he called the seller and they could only tell him to come in to see the car and had no further info about the car itself. He was referred to a salesperson to contact. This morning he emailed again stating that the contact person told him he had not seen the car and was unaware of the questions/legitimacy of the car or its story. :roll:

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby SixT5HiPo » Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:17 am

JPhil wrote:I recieved an email last night from a guy in Virginia regarding this car. He stated that he called the seller and they could only tell him to come in to see the car and had no further info about the car itself. He was referred to a salesperson to contact. This morning he emailed again stating that the contact person told him he had not seen the car and was unaware of the questions/legitimacy of the car or its story. :roll:

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby pony65k » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:39 pm

Selling a kar they've never seen for top dollar......awesome!! :roll:

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby JPhil » Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:36 am

pony65k wrote:Selling a kar they've never seen for top dollar......awesome!! :roll:

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I'm sure they have seen the car as the photos location matches others they have for sale. Here was another email regarding the car from someone who requested more information.

"I sent Flemmings several emails regarding this car over the course of two weeks and recieved no information back from them about documentation. I then called them to verify I had the correct email address and proceeded to resend my emails. After about a week I recieved a generic email from the person listed to contact about this car asking what questions I had about the car. Obviously my previous emails which clearly asked for clarification about original documentation, photos, who restored the car and when etc where too direct to answer and we have not heard back since. This was not unexpected."

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby pony65k » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:55 pm

This whole experience has opened my eyes big time to selling techniques that I was probably naive about before. It really is a minefield out there, you almost have to be a detective to buy a classic car these days, you just can't take anything at face value at all. That's the brilliant thing about not only this forum, but others like it. It's a safe haven, somewhere to go to learn and make the buying experience a safer one.

Just to be 100% clear, I am in NO WAY suggesting there is anything untoward about this seller or this car. I would say though, a little bit of homework on their part would go a long way.

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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby JPhil » Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:40 am

pony65k wrote:This whole experience has opened my eyes big time to selling techniques that I was probably naive about before. It really is a minefield out there, you almost have to be a detective to buy a classic car these days, you just can't take anything at face value at all. That's the brilliant thing about not only this forum, but others like it. It's a safe haven, somewhere to go to learn and make the buying experience a safer one.

Just to be 100% clear, I am in NO WAY suggesting there is anything untoward about this seller. I would say though, a little bit of homework on their part would go a long way.

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Rene,
Yes it can be ugly out there, and this car may be a good car, but the truth of the matter is the homework portion falls squarely on the buyer. "As is, where is" in legal terms means only one thing. You get only what you see, NOTHING stated or implied may be true. This seller states this in a well worded disclaimer.

"1) Vehicle Claims and Descriptions:

Vehicle Descriptions, representations and claims are based on what can be seen by the human eye, documentation, previous professional experience, opinion, factory claims, and, or, information passed on to us by previous owners or restorers. It's to the best of our knowledge that everything we advertise has all indications of being that claim. Please inquire as to what documentation we have on the vehicle you are purchasing. It is with integrity and honesty that we describe our cars, but they are in fact, up to 100 years old, may have had many previous owners, modifications or alterations that are unknown to the dealer, so it's not possible to verify everything about every car.
As always we welcome personal inspections and or independent appraisers prior to the sale."


This is the sellers "get out of jail free card". What you see is what you get, nothing more, regardless of claims, documentation etc. It's a crap shoot and many times it's just that...crap. :roll:


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Re: 6T07K259950 on ebay

Postby pony65k » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:54 pm

You know I never read disclaimers (my naivety on display.....again), I probably should, but then I'd be laughing so hard I might hurt myself. Get out of jail card indeed, this pretty well gives them a license to spin any sort of story they want without any repercussions. If someone was really badly dudded, would that disclaimer hold up in court if it was found a seller lied on purpose? There's some pretty unscrupulous people out there.

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