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Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:07 pm
by Building 3
This is a beautiful kar. However a few expensive to find/replace parts have been noted to be incorrect: manifolds, carb, distributor, fuel pump in addition to the exhaust manifold gaskets which should not be installed. What is the general opinion of the exhaust system? With a build date of December 1964 shouldn't the Arvinode exhaust be on this Kar? What about the red oxide primer on the underbody? Didn't Dearborn predominately use gray slop at this time? Any thoughts?

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:22 pm
by C6ZZKGT
Building 3 wrote:This is a beautiful kar. However a few expensive to find/replace parts have been noted to be incorrect: manifolds, carb, distributor, fuel pump in addition to the exhaust manifold gaskets which should not be installed. What is the general opinion of the exhaust system? With a build date of December 1964 shouldn't the Arvinode exhaust be on this Kar? What about the red oxide primer on the underbody? Didn't Dearborn predominately use gray slop at this time? Any thoughts?


This Kar should definitely have the Arvinode system.

-Fred-

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:24 pm
by C6ZZKGT
Why do so many of these Kars have the coil mounted on the drivers side? Is this just for convenience?

-Fred-

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:56 pm
by SixT5HiPo
C6ZZKGT wrote:Why do so many of these Kars have the coil mounted on the drivers side? Is this just for convenience?

-Fred-


Don't know why it's that way other than lack of knowledge. There are plenty of examples with the correct location to see how it is installed.

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:30 am
by JPhil
SixT5HiPo wrote:
C6ZZKGT wrote:Why do so many of these Kars have the coil mounted on the drivers side? Is this just for convenience?

-Fred-


Don't know why it's that way other than lack of knowledge. There are plenty of examples with the correct location to see how it is installed.



I have seen just two cars with photo evidence that the coil was delivered on the "other" side. In both cases, one a well known car, they had each received dealer "add-ons" with original paperwork for proof.

Both original owners state that they were likely changed by the selling dealer when the modifications were performed and claim only that the cars are "as purchased" not as delivered.

I would suspect that as it is today, it was faster and easier to bolt the coil bracket to the opposite side where there are less obstacles.

JP

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:48 am
by SixT5HiPo
Why do so many of these Kars have the coil mounted on the drivers side? Is this just for convenience?

-Fred-

Don't know why it's that way other than lack of knowledge. There are plenty of examples with the correct location to see how it is installed.


I have seen just two cars with photo evidence that the coil was delivered on the "other" side. In both cases, one a well known car, they had each received dealer "add-ons" with original paperwork for proof.

Both original owners state that they were likely changed by the selling dealer when the modifications were performed and claim only that the cars are "as purchased" not as delivered.

I would suspect that as it is today, it was faster and easier to bolt the coil bracket to the opposite side where there are less obstacles.

JP


Interesting bit of information as usual, JP.. I guess it's safe to say that two kars out of thousands does not set a pattern of "normalcy" or correctness. It's strange that FORD assembly line design experts would choose to mount the coil on the "right" side despite obstacles if it is "easier" to mount it on the "wrong" side.

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:18 pm
by C6ZZKGT
SixT5HiPo wrote:
Why do so many of these Kars have the coil mounted on the drivers side? Is this just for convenience?

-Fred-

Don't know why it's that way other than lack of knowledge. There are plenty of examples with the correct location to see how it is installed.


I have seen just two cars with photo evidence that the coil was delivered on the "other" side. In both cases, one a well known car, they had each received dealer "add-ons" with original paperwork for proof.

Both original owners state that they were likely changed by the selling dealer when the modifications were performed and claim only that the cars are "as purchased" not as delivered.

I would suspect that as it is today, it was faster and easier to bolt the coil bracket to the opposite side where there are less obstacles.

JP


Interesting bit of information as usual, JP.. I guess it's safe to say that two kars out of thousands does not set a pattern of "normalcy" or correctness. It's strange that FORD assembly line design experts would choose to mount the coil on the "right" side despite obstacles if it is "easier" to mount it on the "wrong" side.


Keep in mind that, externally, all 289 engines are basically the same. The left hand side of the engine is where P/S and A/C units mount when ordered and there would be no room for the coil when they are attached. Keeping the coil mounting on the right hand side makes sense for Ford as that keeps everything standardized at the engine build up time.

-Fred-

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:32 pm
by JPhil
SixT5HiPo wrote:
Why do so many of these Kars have the coil mounted on the drivers side? Is this just for convenience?

-Fred-

Don't know why it's that way other than lack of knowledge. There are plenty of examples with the correct location to see how it is installed.


I have seen just two cars with photo evidence that the coil was delivered on the "other" side. In both cases, one a well known car, they had each received dealer "add-ons" with original paperwork for proof.

Both original owners state that they were likely changed by the selling dealer when the modifications were performed and claim only that the cars are "as purchased" not as delivered.

I would suspect that as it is today, it was faster and easier to bolt the coil bracket to the opposite side where there are less obstacles.

JP


Interesting bit of information as usual, JP.. I guess it's safe to say that two kars out of thousands does not set a pattern of "normalcy" or correctness. It's strange that FORD assembly line design experts would choose to mount the coil on the "right" side despite obstacles if it is "easier" to mount it on the "wrong" side.



Your reply sheds more light onto why there is little chance that the car came this way.
There are many photos available on the web as well as in the Ford archives showing completed engines waiting to be loaded into railcars. All of these photos show the coil on the "correct" side.

This photo is from our friends at the Concours forums:
Image

Further investigation of assembly line photos and video shows engines installed prior to coolant hoses etc. connected with the coil clearly visible. Each of these shows that the hoses would not be "in the way" if the coil was installed first.

Like this photo from the Detroit news:
Image

As you can see the coil is installed prior to the assembly line. The hoses are yet to be connected and filled with fluid.

Probably just a coincidence, but both original aforementioned cars with the coil on the "wrong side" had the same modification done by the selling dealerships.



JP

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:46 pm
by C6ZZKGT
Interesting that the convertible in the last picture is an export car.

In the upper picture I thought that I saw a Hipo engine due to the chrome valve covers, but the engine has the heat tube for the automatic choke. :(

-Fred-

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:31 pm
by SixT5HiPo
C6ZZKGT wrote:Interesting that the convertible in the last picture is an export car.



-Fred-


It's even more interesting because the passengers are none other than the MOTOWN recording group Martha and the Vandellas.

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:37 pm
by SixT5HiPo
C6ZZKGT wrote:
In the upper picture I thought that I saw a Hipo engine due to the chrome valve covers, but the engine has the heat tube for the automatic choke. :(

-Fred-


Quite possibly a FALCON Sprint engine?

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:42 pm
by SixT5HiPo
C6ZZKGT wrote:Why do so many of these Kars have the coil mounted on the drivers side? Is this just for convenience?

-Fred-





Keeping the coil mounting on the right hand side makes sense for Ford as that keeps everything standardized at the engine build up time.

-Fred-


That's exactly right...assembly lines function at their best when this is the goal of the designers.

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:07 am
by C6ZZKGT
SixT5HiPo wrote:
C6ZZKGT wrote:
In the upper picture I thought that I saw a Hipo engine due to the chrome valve covers, but the engine has the heat tube for the automatic choke. :(

-Fred-


Quite possibly a FALCON Sprint engine?


The engines in the picture are 1965 6 bolt engines. The 65 Falcon Sprint was only available as a 2V engine from what I understand and the engine in question has a 4V carburetor. The only 4V 1965 Falcon engines were in Rancheros in 1965. Maybe this engine is for a 65 Comet Cyclone if they used chrome valve covers?

-Fred-

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:52 am
by Building 3
Getting back to the car for sale: Is that red oxide underbody correct? I thought they were all gray slop paint at this time. NJ and SJ used red oxide a lot but not Dearborn. If that red is incorrect, then the cost of remediation would put this out of the cost ball pack for me.

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:22 am
by JPhil
Building 3 wrote:Getting back to the car for sale: Is that red oxide underbody correct? I thought they were all gray slop paint at this time. NJ and SJ used red oxide a lot but not Dearborn. If that red is incorrect, then the cost of remediation would put this out of the cost ball pack for me.



Correct.
Dearborn cars would be batch color underneath. One of the many corrections that this car requires.

JP

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:14 pm
by SixT5HiPo

In the upper picture I thought that I saw a Hipo engine due to the chrome valve covers, but the engine has the heat tube for the automatic choke. :(

-Fred-

Quite possibly a FALCON Sprint engine?

The engines in the picture are 1965 6 bolt engines. The 65 Falcon Sprint was only available as a 2V engine from what I understand and the engine in question has a 4V carburetor. The only 4V 1965 Falcon engines were in Rancheros in 1965. Maybe this engine is for a 65 Comet Cyclone if they used chrome valve covers?

-Fred-


The Cyclones for 1965 did come fully dressed under the hood. ;)

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:30 pm
by C6ZZKGT
SixT5HiPo wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Mustang-/282689550129?hash=item41d19c3731:g:1Q0AAOSwJoNZ3UwL&vxp=mtr


This auction ended October 20, 2017 at $41,100.00 with 25 bids from 10 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.


This Kar is back on Ebay again with no changes:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 28?vxp=mtr

This auction ended November 2, 2017 at $43,100.00 with 23 bids from 8 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.

-Fred-

Both expired auctions did not even come close to the $60,000 the seller hopes to get.


This auction ended November 20, 2017 at $40,000.00 with 14 bids from 8 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.



Shoulda took the high bid on November 2, 2017 at $43,100.00...

This Kar is back on Ebay again with no changes:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/282751504914?s ... fresh=true

-Fred-

This auction ended December 7, 2017 at $43,400.00 with 54 bids from 19 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.

This Kar is back on Ebay again as a reserve auction with an opening bid of $1,000.00:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 86?vxp=mtr

-Fred-


Bids are already up to $40,100.00 with 7 days to go...


This auction ended January 7, 2018 at $45,200.00 with 24 bids from 16 bidders and the statement by the seller of "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available ".

-Fred-

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:32 am
by SixT5HiPo
This auction ended October 20, 2017 at $41,100.00 with 25 bids from 10 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.

This auction ended November 2, 2017 at $43,100.00 with 23 bids from 8 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.

This auction ended November 20, 2017 at $40,000.00 with 14 bids from 8 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.

This auction ended December 7, 2017 at $43,400.00 with 54 bids from 19 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.

This Kar is back on Ebay again as a reserve auction with an opening bid of $1,000.00:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 86?vxp=mtr

-Fred-

SixT5HiPo
This is a nice looking fastback in the pictures, but based of the results of four previous auctions, it also looks like it's a mid 40's kar all day long.



Change that to five previous auctions that ended in the low to mid forties...

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:13 am
by C6ZZKGT
C6ZZKGT wrote:
SixT5HiPo wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Mustang-/282689550129?hash=item41d19c3731:g:1Q0AAOSwJoNZ3UwL&vxp=mtr


This auction ended October 20, 2017 at $41,100.00 with 25 bids from 10 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.


This Kar is back on Ebay again with no changes:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 28?vxp=mtr

This auction ended November 2, 2017 at $43,100.00 with 23 bids from 8 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.

-Fred-

Both expired auctions did not even come close to the $60,000 the seller hopes to get.


This auction ended November 20, 2017 at $40,000.00 with 14 bids from 8 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.



Shoulda took the high bid on November 2, 2017 at $43,100.00...

This Kar is back on Ebay again with no changes:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/282751504914?s ... fresh=true

-Fred-

This auction ended December 7, 2017 at $43,400.00 with 54 bids from 19 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.

This Kar is back on Ebay again as a reserve auction with an opening bid of $1,000.00:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 86?vxp=mtr

-Fred-


Bids are already up to $40,100.00 with 7 days to go...


This auction ended January 7, 2018 at $45,200.00 with 24 bids from 16 bidders and the statement by the seller of "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available ".

-Fred-


This Kar is back on Ebay again as a reserve auction with an opening bid of $1o,000.00:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 7675.l2557

-Fred-

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:14 am
by C6ZZKGT
C6ZZKGT wrote:
SixT5HiPo wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Mustang-/282689550129?hash=item41d19c3731:g:1Q0AAOSwJoNZ3UwL&vxp=mtr


This auction ended October 20, 2017 at $41,100.00 with 25 bids from 10 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.


This Kar is back on Ebay again with no changes:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 28?vxp=mtr

This auction ended November 2, 2017 at $43,100.00 with 23 bids from 8 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.

-Fred-

Both expired auctions did not even come close to the $60,000 the seller hopes to get.


This auction ended November 20, 2017 at $40,000.00 with 14 bids from 8 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.



Shoulda took the high bid on November 2, 2017 at $43,100.00...

This Kar is back on Ebay again with no changes:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/282751504914?s ... fresh=true

-Fred-

This auction ended December 7, 2017 at $43,400.00 with 54 bids from 19 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.

This Kar is back on Ebay again as a reserve auction with an opening bid of $1,000.00:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 86?vxp=mtr

-Fred-


Bids are already up to $40,100.00 with 7 days to go...


This auction ended January 7, 2018 at $45,200.00 with 24 bids from 16 bidders and the statement by the seller of "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available ".

-Fred-


This Kar is back on Ebay again as a reserve auction with an opening bid of $1o,000.00:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 7675.l2557

-Fred-[/quote]

This auction ended January 15, 2018 with the statement by the seller of "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available ".

-Fred-

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:22 pm
by SixT5HiPo
C6ZZKGT wrote:http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Mustang-/282689550129?hash=item41d19c3731:g:1Q0AAOSwJoNZ3UwL&vxp=mtr



This Kar is back on Ebay again as a reserve auction with an opening bid of $1o,000.00:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 7675.l2557



This auction ended January 15, 2018 with the statement by the seller of "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available ".

-Fred-


Kinda weird...now it states: "This listing was ended by the seller because there was an error in the listing."

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:47 am
by C6ZZKGT
C6ZZKGT wrote:
SixT5HiPo wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Mustang-/282689550129?hash=item41d19c3731:g:1Q0AAOSwJoNZ3UwL&vxp=mtr


This auction ended October 20, 2017 at $41,100.00 with 25 bids from 10 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.


This Kar is back on Ebay again with no changes:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 28?vxp=mtr

This auction ended November 2, 2017 at $43,100.00 with 23 bids from 8 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.

-Fred-

Both expired auctions did not even come close to the $60,000 the seller hopes to get.


This auction ended November 20, 2017 at $40,000.00 with 14 bids from 8 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.



Shoulda took the high bid on November 2, 2017 at $43,100.00...

This Kar is back on Ebay again with no changes:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/282751504914?s ... fresh=true

-Fred-

This auction ended December 7, 2017 at $43,400.00 with 54 bids from 19 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.

This Kar is back on Ebay again as a reserve auction with an opening bid of $1,000.00:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 86?vxp=mtr

-Fred-


Bids are already up to $40,100.00 with 7 days to go...


This auction ended January 7, 2018 at $45,200.00 with 24 bids from 16 bidders and the statement by the seller of "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available ".

-Fred-


This Kar is back on Ebay again as a reserve auction with an opening bid of $1o,000.00:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 7675.l2557

-Fred-[/quote]

This auction ended January 15, 2018 with the statement by the seller of "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available ".

-Fred-[/quote]

This Kar is back on Ebay again as a reserve auction with an opening bid of $5,000.00:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... SwJoNZ3UwL

-Fred-

Re: 5F09K379186 FS in GA

PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:03 pm
by C6ZZKGT
C6ZZKGT wrote:
SixT5HiPo wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Mustang-/282689550129?hash=item41d19c3731:g:1Q0AAOSwJoNZ3UwL&vxp=mtr


This auction ended October 20, 2017 at $41,100.00 with 25 bids from 10 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.


This Kar is back on Ebay again with no changes:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 28?vxp=mtr

This auction ended November 2, 2017 at $43,100.00 with 23 bids from 8 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.

-Fred-

Both expired auctions did not even come close to the $60,000 the seller hopes to get.


This auction ended November 20, 2017 at $40,000.00 with 14 bids from 8 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.



Shoulda took the high bid on November 2, 2017 at $43,100.00...

This Kar is back on Ebay again with no changes:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/282751504914?s ... fresh=true

-Fred-

This auction ended December 7, 2017 at $43,400.00 with 54 bids from 19 bidders and it did not meet the sellers reserve and so therefore did NOT sell.

This Kar is back on Ebay again as a reserve auction with an opening bid of $1,000.00:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 86?vxp=mtr

-Fred-


Bids are already up to $40,100.00 with 7 days to go...


This auction ended January 7, 2018 at $45,200.00 with 24 bids from 16 bidders and the statement by the seller of "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available ".

-Fred-


This Kar is back on Ebay again as a reserve auction with an opening bid of $1o,000.00:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... 7675.l2557

-Fred-[/quote]

This auction ended January 15, 2018 with the statement by the seller of "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available ".

-Fred-[/quote]

This Kar is back on Ebay again as a reserve auction with an opening bid of $5,000.00:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Must ... SwJoNZ3UwL

-Fred-[/quote]

This auction ended January 22, 2018 with the statement by the seller of "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available ".

-Fred-